https://drafts.csswg.org/css-grid/#subgrid-item-contribution > In this process, the sum of the [subgrid](https://drafts.csswg.org/css-grid/#subgrid)’s **margin, padding, [scrollbar gutter](https://drafts.csswg.org/css-overflow-3/#scrollbar-gutter), and border** at each edge https://drafts.csswg.org/css-grid/#subgrid-edge-placeholders > For each edge of a non-empty [subgrid](https://drafts.csswg.org/css-grid/#subgrid), to account for the subgrid’s **margin/border/padding** at that edge [...] The 2nd quote doesn't include the [scrollbar gutter](https://drafts.csswg.org/css-overflow-3/#scrollbar-gutter), but it should, like the 1st one. As per #9815, browsers are including it.